So, we don't have a list of people who have been banned, and we don't have a list of reasons why, just that its 'real life harassment.

This is like a dictatorship executing political rivals for :reasons:
I wish there was more transparency in these decisions, for all we know none of these people were even warned.

From reddit, the dude that got banned was involved with convincing people to pod themselves ~50 times without updating clones.

Are recordings any different than chat logs in terms of their nature?

The only way I can see for this to be true is based on a technicality, because EVE doesn't provide the capability for you to record voice chat, and any communication out-of-game, even about in-game activities, can be considered can be considered out-of-character.

For example, can a person be banned for ransoming a corporation member in an awox-style attack, if he's communicating with the victim on a corporate TS/Vent server, and not using in-game chat?

The average new order player really doesn't tick the same way as most other players in the game.

I'm here for the sole purpose of amusing Mr Epeen with my bizzaro post train.

the other day, one of our FCs raged because people didn't bring enough dictors

here is a recording:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHIshCZjoH0

he is obviously emotionally agitated and extremely distressed.

can i please get everyone in the fleet banned for not bringing enough dictors ? (except of course the two people who did and the poor FC who raged)

i have also been called a african american vagina a few times by a guy called Vince Draken. I don't like words like that. please ban him.

Yes, or no.

Are song ransoms legal?

I don't want to get banned for hurting someone's feelings when I blow up their ship...

Sure. Let me know when you've been doxed and had your family threatened by players in the game, and CCP does nothing about it. I get what you're saying, I do, but the inconsistency is undeniable when you've experienced it first hand. I even put up the evidence of it for people to see and was dismissed as 'crying'. I assure you, I never cried a tear. The people responsible had a little visit from the police and, unfortunately, the rest is subject to a nondisclosure agreement, but I can tell you this much - the police gave me some information that will allow me to hold CCP fully accountable to the law should it ever happen again based on their own decisions in policy management so far.

So I'm not crying. I'm hoping I don't get doxed again but, there's also a small part of me that hopes I do. I love EVE, and I love CCP too. I love them so much that I just can't allow them to fall for the trap of double standards.

No, I'm honestly hoping it doesn't come to that at all. If it happens again, the very first thing I'll do is go through the proper channels of the petition system, as I did last time, in the hope that CCP does what they're apparently committed to doing - making their online community a secure environment where real life harassment is not allowed to perpetuate.

I'm 100% down with that ideal. I just want to see them enforce it with consistency.

This particular situation though, I've already gotten more involved that I wanted to. I was really just gonna post that link to make people think, and then **** off but, I can't say I'm not annoyed with the lack of information and clarity here.

so what you are saying is you-¦re not going to tell ppl how to behave, you-¦re just gonna ban them when they dont behave and not even let us know where the line is drawn?
That is a LARGE grey area my friends, one im not sure i want to be a part of.

From a PR point of view, wouldn't it have been much wiser if CCP had contacted the CSM first and discussed those bans with them?
Banning for RMT or botting is one thing, but mass bans for misconduct in/out of game will always lead to controversy, so being more transparent at least to the CSM representatives could have avoided some of this shitstorm..

The core issue here is people getting banned for things they weren't involved in.

Except in this case the nefarious 'agenda' is requesting CCP to inform us what is banworthy behavior, to institute a system of warnings instead of permanent bans for things that don't seem to be obvious EULA breaking behavior, and for these rules to be applied consistently.


We all have enough data to know that none of my 3 points is currently implemented.

CCP banned a bunch of guys that continued on with the bonus room thing. In their infinite wisdom or just out of sheer laziness, they banned everyone in the bonus room channel whether they participated or not.

Yes they do. These types of channels often send out shotgun invites to loads of people who might or might not be interested in what goes on there, and a lot of us simply accept those invites to get them out of the way and leave it out of sight and out of mind.

Again, this is guilt by association crap that CCP really shouldn't be dealing in.

Did you know that permabanned people don't tend to post on the forums to appeal their bans because a game ban extends to the forums? They tend to do that through the petition system. They also don't tend to talk about it much on the official forums after the fact. This new knowledge must blow your mind.

Heh, you want to know why I want the line defined?

And I've read that there were players banned who didn't do anything remotely resembling harassment. They were simply in the channel at some point, or had other incidental ties.

So is ganking for fun not okay?
What about holding people for ransom?

Also, the whole 'not shooting newbs in newb ships' thing irks me. What about that 3 day old cyno alt in lowsec? Don't tell me that's a newb that I can't shoot or I'm done.

But some of us feel High Sec is worth fighting for hiding in for cheap kills.

There is nothing obtuse or wilfully ignorant about being confused about CCPs seemingly arbitrary application of their EULA/TOS.

And a cherry picked response is exactly what I expected.

I'll trust the word of a GM more than someone who got banned and goes "nono, i did nothing at all, I wasn't even there".

When paying for a product or service, it's nice to know what to expect out of it?

yeah, it's fine that they get to decide it because it's their game.
except how can we follow their rules, because it's their game, if they don't tell us what they are?

so racism and real life threats are fine as long as i keep it in the game, and it's not a new player?

Earlier this year, I posted the evidence publicly for everyone to see. Few people looked, then the police asked me to take it down.

If people were paying attention when I said, this is what's happening and here is the evidence, then this might not be happening right now.

The few people that saw it understand this.

So maybe, just maybe, more people need to start paying attention instead of flippantly dismissing the concerns of other players.

Another golden example of the "out of sight, out of mind" theme running rampant in the community right now.

To those who are festering this attitude: man up, lead, follow, or get out the way.

The things that bugs me are as follow...
1. CCP hasnt been consitent, going live and wishing the life out of someone gave 1 month ban, scamming someone on TS (bonusroom) permaban, shooting miners in highsec permaban.... thats just ****** up if you ask me.
2. massbaning... seriously, whats up with that??? baning ppl left and right and not letting the ppl know why is just wrong!!
3. CCP made this fun and lovely game into a carebear-game with all this crap about harassment, if ppl cant shoot anything/anyone without the fear of that the other person could be offended and report you, what is left of the game? remove guns and drones is perhaps the next step
4. the ******** responce CCP gives atm, all from we cant draw aline to ppl are ******** for not knowing where the line is...

this snowballed so much harder then CCP would hope it would do and my guess is alot of wars will start over some of the comments being said here, lets just hope ppl dont get offended and cry to CCP about cause soon there wont be many players left if all are banned

How many players were banned, or are folk just assuming, 'lots' because it makes all the forum rage more fun?

What do folk know about the actual reasons for the alleged mass bans, rather than idle speculation on the forums because it is more fun than the possible reality of the alleged mass bans?

i also find it hilarious that he believes he's important enough to be shown evidence

Nobody was asking for that.
They were asking for reasons why these people were banned. That doesn't reveal anything about CCP's security.

I'm pretty sure that every step between "CCP says x person was banned because he specifically did this thing" and "we've cracked CCP's security scheme" is something along the lines of "Mr Epeen talks out of his ass and suggests some causal link between completely unrelated things for the sole purpose of being a contrarian."

I've come to the conclusion that there isn't a single thread on eve-o that has anything of value after page ~40.

James Amril-Kesh, Lucas Kell, Remiel Pollard, Kaarous, sibbyl, and Andski are making a lot of good points in the eve-o gd thread attempting to have a real conversation, as I am doing here. If you want to continue to troll just like the majority of the "opposing parties" are in that thread, whatever. You'll deserve the eve you get.